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Weezer_Blue · Jul 25, 2005, 04:39 AM // 04:39

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Originally Posted by BezoomnyDroog

I've been to underworld 10+ times and not once have had an ecto drop for me.

Were they successful trips? Cause I'm talking to my friend on Xfire, and he just got 3 ecto drops in a row on a single trip (he's a ranger, in a group of three people. I think it's a ranger, monk, and elementalist or something). Probably killing Smites.

BezoomnyDroog · Jul 25, 2005, 04:44 AM // 04:44

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Originally Posted by Weezer_Blue

Were they successful trips? Cause I'm talking to my friend on Xfire, and he just got 3 ecto drops in a row on a single trip (he's a ranger, in a group of three people. I think it's a ranger, monk, and elementalist or something). Probably killing Smites.

Yes, I've cleared the smites probably 7 out of those 10 times.

spartans · Jul 25, 2005, 04:53 AM // 04:53

Kinda knew I would get flamed. Its a hot topic but am I the only one who has done this, would not seem so with the amount of services offered on Ebay. Supply demand and so on.

But hey we all have our views.

Anyway right of reply...

From Ultimate...
Edit/PS: would people stop comparing buying in game gold to buying the game as a whole from retail.. because they have nothing to do with eachother what so ever...

My Reply: Um actually I disagree, they are invariably the same thing, money spent on entertainment. But I welcome your views and appreciate not being flamed by you. We just differ here.

From Weezer...
Rather than taking the bitch-who-ruins-game's way out, why don't you go farm the underworld? a single ectoplasm sells for over 10k, at the moment. Why don't you use it to your advantage? Otherwise, don't compensate for your ingame inadequacies using real world cash. EbayingItems:RPG::Hacking:FPS

My Reply: Weezer you have added a lot of good stuff to the boards. This is not one of them. You do not need to flame or name call to make a good point. Can uderstand the issue polarises ppl though. I am not in underworld because I am on european server for a start...enuf said there and I PvE only. And its only a game, I feel no inadeqacies rofl, and I think I stated I was playing for my enjoyment of the game, we obviously get different things from the game.

Weezer_Blue · Jul 25, 2005, 04:59 AM // 04:59

I wasn't aware of any useful information I have posted.
I never said you were a bitch who ruins games, but you are on the verge of becoming one. Please reconsider. Buying money is like hacking, only expensive. What I mean by that? Well, you didn't actually get that money yourself, just like a hacker isn't that good.

As for the european server... well... that sucks. I can understand how hard it is to make money with the only good farming spots remaining in the game being tied to the horrible WaW concept (knew it would suck from the start). If you don't have any reason to stay un the Euro servers (ie: friends, guild), switch to the American servers. Watch out though, you can only switch 5 times. A lot of people that speak english well switch to the US servers, you wouldn't be alone.

whatever, though. It's your decision. You wouldn't be alone in doing it. It's all a result of the excessive grind clamp A.net put on us.

thestealthcow101 · Jul 25, 2005, 05:12 AM // 05:12

I don't have fun farming for 20 hours to buy a single weapon, but i won't buy items from ebay. why? because then what have i done? just spent 4 or 5 dollars, and suddenly i'm godly. if there's a sword i want, and the asking price is super high, then i just say forget it. the sword has 15% more damage instead of my 14%. wow, yippie.

just my opinion. people think gold is so important, just because they see people selling things for 50K in lion's arch.

spartans · Jul 25, 2005, 05:47 AM // 05:47

Motive is very important here. And I should have explained a little more in original post.
Im not interested in being godly, just wanting to explore the possibilities and combinations of the game without farming so much and for so long.
I get enjoyment from those elements and also from being able to help ppl with quests, item, and advice etc.
I do not ever buy items like for instance godly axe blah blah for 50k ...no way, just not me, not what im wanting to do so I do not feed that side of the economy period. In fact I sell items dead cheap, becasue I hate the trading process..WTS WTS WTS...so on.
It takes away from practical gaming.

I think we have to look at what has caused the situation in the first place. With my first lvl 20 character I had no problems getting gold and items to do what I wanted and to be able to tinker. But with other characters I cannot say the same is true and even having a lvl 20 to help with items seem to be of little use to me now with nerfing etc.
My first char started just before a lot of nerfing. And I notice the difference now with other characters. And using my lvl 20 to help other characters lvl and get materials for armour and so on is a grinding experience for me. What is worse is the draining of rsources from first character and not being able to replenish.
I have gone down the road of playing how it was intended, missions quest etc, followed storyline and so on and still have been seriously short of in game money to experiment properly.

This is how Anet have taken the game direction, they did it to stop botters etc, but in the process have made them a bigger market base with ppl who normally would not need their service.

ShinJin Kahn · Jul 25, 2005, 06:32 AM // 06:32

Underworld you say?.

I'm on euro server, so we only get favour once a week for about and hour and half.

Last time we got I didn't get online till there were only 3 more matches needed before it was lost, took me about 20 mins to find a team that wasen't trapper or smite runs, and had 2 monks.

loads of people didn't wanna pay me the 150g to get in so i had to pay the 1 plat off my own back, rather then finding a new team and not getting in at all i just paid and went it, after we cleared the first room the game bugged up and the doors didn't open up to the later rooms so we all had to port back to TOA and find new teams, at which point all the monks had been taken up and no one wanted/needed warriors.

With all that said, you tell me what I should do to get money, and dont say "go to american servers" cos thats as bad as saying "go to ebay".

Borealis · Jul 25, 2005, 08:23 AM // 08:23

I've also considered the buying off ebay thing, the grind to get the kind of money you need for the people on this forum even selling their "godly" fellblades for 300-500k is a total joke.

Thats alot of time to grind for someone who has a life, I used to be able to play the trader market but thats screwed all to hell now, tonight for example I wanted to sell some steel...without the WTS WTS spamming crap in Lions Arch or Droknars, so I go to the merchant and whats the merch. buying steel for, a whopping 30g each. Thats when I had just given up and logged out for the night.

That $3 on ebay can save someone who has a life alot of wasted time grinding for that kind of cash. Even farming it took me almost a month to accumulate 500k, is it worth $30 on ebay to save me a ton of time, sure...why not. "Playing the game normally" will not net you that kind of gold in this game.

Sagius Truthbarron · Jul 25, 2005, 08:27 AM // 08:27

I think it's pretty funny in Guild Wars money is utterly worthless and in real life money is considerably worthless in quantity, but yet in both instances everyone wants a mountain of it.

Where do people get to thinking they need all this junk?

Memnon's Mentor · Jul 25, 2005, 11:49 AM // 11:49

Game experience/fun is in the eye of the beholder. If you have a life and do not want to do stupid farming for several hours or standing like 6h+ on the Lion's Arch markets just to sell your darn purple bow, why not go to ebay (if it wouldn't be illegal)? Either way, how would Arena.NET know if someone buys money?

For me no need for superior runes, I am fine with my major ones and I am mostly the last man standing in the UW/Fissure/Missions/Quests be it as my monk or my warrior/ele, E/Mö. It's about using tactics and strategies, any shiny golden "godly" fellblade/cristalline sword, uber-uber-golden-shield with XX health does not help.

The need for prestige and "nobility" in this game draws many too deep into it, which I consider dangerous.

Gwenhywar · Jul 25, 2005, 12:00 PM // 12:00

Oh how amusing from the part of non-Europeans to suggest the Europeans to go farm UW. We get favor like once a week - there's just too little european players in comparison with koreans and americans for us to be able to have enough strong pvp guilds to take HoH more often.

AND since the last update we get so horrible lag that it's not even funny (I was getting lag spikes every 2 mins yesterday, and so was all my UW team).

Shows how important european customers are to ANet ...

P.S. cheers to Esotheric Warriors for getting us favor yesterday night.

Silmor · Jul 25, 2005, 12:10 PM // 12:10

It's not just a choice of preference. Let's say you purchase 500k gold from eBay just to afford that Fissure armour and the required materials. Surely that isn't hurting anyone?

But it is. You can suddenly afford the outrageous ectoplasm prices, will buy them in bulk, their price will rise. Those who don't farm extensively or those who don't buy money online stand less of a chance of ever completing their armour.

The gold that you're buying is 'unnatural' gold. It comes from bots who just keep grinding out gold all day. They only exist because you are there to buy it from them. The only way other players can compete with that sort of buying power is to buy from bots as well. Every gold coin you bought from them and spent in-game increases inflation in the game, and decreases enjoyment for every player who doesn't buy gold.

But hey, if you only care about your own enjoyment, what's the problem, right? And you play with henchmen anyway, so in a few months, when there's only bots running out of towns and no other players because they've come to hate the game for the rampant botting ruining their gaming experience, that won't affect you one bit.

Gwenhywar · Jul 25, 2005, 12:37 PM // 12:37

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Originally Posted by Silmor

It comes from bots who just keep grinding out gold all day. They only exist because you are there to buy it from them.

Haven't you missed the fact that bots exist and profit because ANet has nerfed normal, honest player's money gaining possibilities that are only affecting your average player that just wants to play the game and have fun, and has 0 effect on your average botter who will get his gold anyway, even if the drops are 100x smaller?

If people could get money by just playing, verrrry few lazy ones would even consider ebaying the gold.

Ba Ne · Jul 25, 2005, 12:46 PM // 12:46

I was in this predicament over the weekend. I had gold in my shopping cart even. Then I thought it through a little more.

Why am I buying gold? To be able to afford the items I want. After a month or so of farming I'm nowhere near the amount I need.

Once you have the items what do you plan to do with them? Well, the only reason I'm still playing is because I've been trying to make the gold to buy them. If I buy gold with real money and then buy the items in-game I pretty much eliminate any reason to continue playing. So why don't I save myself the money and just log out... perhaps for the last time. The end result is the same either way.

So that's what I did.

Watersong · Jul 25, 2005, 01:01 PM // 13:01

What's the difference between a farmer and a botter?

Not much.

Prices will go up anyways, bought by a botter or not. It's a rare thing. A lot of people want it. What's the difference between someone who farms for the gold to get all the ecto and a guy who bought his gold?

Silmor · Jul 25, 2005, 01:02 PM // 13:02

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Originally Posted by Gwenhywar

Haven't you missed the fact that bots exist and profit because ANet has nerfed normal, honest player's money gaining possibilities that are only affecting your average player that just wants to play the game and have fun, and has 0 effect on your average botter who will get his gold anyway, even if the drops are 100x smaller?

Bots exist because people are lazy. Because bots exist, and people are lazy enough to use their services, they can pump loads of money into the economy, prices get higher, which cause the 'need' to farm for gold and such in the first place. Making gold easier to obtain would simply increase the amount of gold botters farm, which decreases the cost of gold on eBay, which means your $5 now buys twice as much gold to spend on whatever you like, which means eventually prices will be twice as high to keep up with the demand.

The only way to really stop this is if players stop being selfish and stop buying gold from eBay, and if ArenaNet manages to hunt down and stop bots more efficiently.

Disciple · Jul 25, 2005, 01:06 PM // 13:06

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Originally Posted by ShinJin Kahn

I've seen some auctions got for as little as £2($4) for 100,000G.

100,000g isin't even that much money but is definatly worth it for the 30 hours plus it takes to get now that everythings been nerfed.

I never wanted to go to ebay to spend real life money on in game items, but it seems like i'll never be able to get the items i want cos everything so expensive and it's so hard to get money.

You've got to think about the time you have and the ratio of time spent to money earned, esp now that it's so hard to get decent stuff for normal prices.

It's better to spend £2 and 5 mins on ebay then it is to spend 15 or so hours in FoW, well, i dunno if it's "better", but it's more economical.

I'm not gonna ebay it but i'm seriously considering it, whats your views?

(p.s it's 6am over here and i been up all night so excuse the grammar and poor spelling.)

Honestly, it all depends. 100,000 for four dollars? I can see that being worthwhile. 20$? No way. Don't listen to what everyone else said in this thread (i.e. You don't need money in Guild Wars). What it really boils down to is what you enjoy spending your money on. If you play Guild Wars all day every day, and you would sincerely enjoy the money, go ahead!

Anarkii · Jul 25, 2005, 02:08 PM // 14:08

A quote taken from Sony's site, justifying Sony's support of trading ingame items for real cash.

Why are you offering this service?

EverQuest II is a massive game, with much to see and do. Some players want to experience as many different aspects of the game as possible, but may not have enough time to play multiple character types. Other players with the time and skills to devote to the game will find new avenues of reward opening to them within the game.

The secondary market for online games has grown tremendously over the past few years, fueled by games like EverQuest II. More and more of our players take part in non-sanctioned activities, which have lead to a host of problems for our customers, including fraud.

By establishing a legitimate outlet for these activities, SOE will be a leader in determining the future direction and growth for this emerging market. Once again, we at Sony Online Entertainment are blazing a trail for the online gaming genre, just as we did six years ago with EverQuest.

Station Exchange provides players a way to take part in this growing secondary market in a more secure manner.

Since all the Exchange activities take place within SOE’s servers and game worlds, each party is comfortable knowing that he or she will systematically receive his or her side of the transaction.

Station Exchange will be rolled out to new EverQuest II servers, after which we will gauge the success of the program and determine whether (and how) to bring these features to other current and future titles. This will also allow us to determine the demand for these activities within our games.

Lets see the GW scenario. There are 2 players, A and B. None of them are stupid or noobs.
Player A, is a 20 year old student enjoying his summer hols and after finishing the game is farming for 6 hours each day, and his ultimate aim is to get the fissure armor, a 15>50 crystalline sword , and an eternal/magmas shield with 45/-2 enchanted.
Player B, is a lawyer, who earns $50 an hour. He was a passionate and dedicated gamer earlier, but doesnt have that much time now. He too wants a fissure armor and a 15>50 stormbow. He plays only 2 hours a day. He finds it a much better option to buy stuff on ebay that he would have to use a lot of time to farm.

So, say A gets 100K in a day farming 6 hours. B buys 100K for $5 in ebay, because his 6 hours is worth $300 to him.

Think about both of them. Are what they doing so very different. We are awed at A's farming skills and despise B and say *you must not have a life if you spend real money on pixels*.

As someone pointed out, Time IS Money.

Now come to the point that getting expensive gold items makes no difference.

1)There are people who play games casually for some timepass.
2)There are dedicated gamers who get an adrenaline rush when they perfecly time a power leak, power spike and power drain in succession.
3)And there are gamers who like some nice ol' monster bashing, whose eyes brighten up on seeing a gold sword drop, people who like to have better looking armor and weapons than the other guy around.

All 3 types play this game. And the Type 3 likes hunting for these "expensive gold items". Some do it by spending 6 hours farming. Some do it by spending more time on RL an spending a tiny fraction to buy in-game stuff for real cash.

Theres no need for the rest of us to abuse those types of guys.

Memnon's Mentor · Jul 25, 2005, 02:10 PM // 14:10

Very well said. You have my respect.

Disciple · Jul 25, 2005, 02:21 PM // 14:21

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Originally Posted by Memnon's Mentor

Very well said. You have my respect.

Your respect is easily gained.